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Singapore HiFi Stereo Equipment discussion forum => HiFi Audio Equipment Discussion => Topic started by: jb on November 18, 2016, 11:24:17 AM
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plan to upgrade my SINE wall plug, any other good value for money good brand that I should upgrade to... see attached wall plug photo
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The Sine one has the advantage of having a very complete look.
My preference is to use the aluminum face plate sold by some hifi shops or Koba in Chinatown, and just use your own outlets of your choice.
Some tips for those thinking of doing this. There are two sizes, the faceplate for the single UK outlet, and the double UK outlet (same as the Sine one in JB's post). I strongly recommend the double faceplate over the single one. Both only accommodate a single US duplex outlet. The single UK faceplate has a lot of difficulties fitting the US outlet, unless you are willing to cut aggressively into the outlet. You will probably end up breaking off not just the ears, but any part of the mounting tabs projecting from the outlet body.
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Sine also have UK style power outlets (single and double) that have no switches.
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some bro have suggested Furutech GTX-D NCF (R) , any one has use this receptacle before and your comment on this.
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Seeking opinion on Sine wall outlets...any users out there? Compared with other brands (US outlets) like Oyaide, Hubbell or MK etc etc? I have a nagging slight tizzy treble that I can't seem to get rid off... and through process of elimination...it's either the Sine outlet or a mismatch in PC plug (oyaide 004) to the Sine outlet. Any users having/had the same problem and using Sine too? Thanks
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The Oyaide PC-004 requires plenty of burn-in. Not sure whether your PC plug is new ? It can sound a bit hard and brittle before burn-in. I've used Hubbell and Oyaide but not Sine in my system so I can't comment on the tone.
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The Sine wall outlet that I used give more treble that I need...that is why think of using Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) to roll off some high freqs. But anyway after I listen to using the PS audio P10 (power regeneration unit) in some of the system...this is definitely a must have as it improves the sound in all area, bass, mid range and high freqs. Using cable along cannot achieve this kind of improvement.
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Very nice setup. maybe can post more pics, is the tank see through into the room?
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All of my cables and outlet is almost 2 years old. When I can get some kind soul to help me change the Sine back to MK, I will in a heartbeat. Though not the main culprit, I suspect it's contributing to the tizz. I could be wrong, but I read somewhere in passing, that platinum is from the same family as rhodium. Aiyah, should have gotten the gold plated one.
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Finally bought the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) to replace the SINW wall outlet.... will report back how the Furutech as compare to SINE after install and listen. Buy from Japan Amazon will get the cheapest price.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fmweqi0l.jpg)
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Finally bought the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) to replace the SINW wall outlet.... will report back how the Furutech as compare to SINE after install and listen. Buy from Japan Amazon will get the cheapest price.
How is this working out bro? I'm considering getting one too. However, a new one would be out of budget....so should look at a non NCF used one.
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The Furutech GTX-D NCF has better control of bass and it gives a very refine treble... those metal brush sound from jazz were present nicely. Overall it also has more depth. Those harsh CD I have all sound nice with GTX-D NCF. overall I will say is one grade better than the SINE receptacle in sound quality, you will not regret getting it. I am still burnt in the receptacle, and the sound start open out wider stage and vocal sound more realistic.
As my outlet metal casing is built inside the wall, so I cannot use the 105D and the furutech face plate, else I think the sound will improve even further. I will implement this if I plan to run a separate power line in future.
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The Furutech GTX-D NCF has better control of bass and it gives a very refine treble... those metal brush sound from jazz were present nicely. Overall it also has more depth. Those harsh CD I have all sound nice with GTX-D NCF. overall I will say is one grade better than the SINE receptacle in sound quality, you will not regret getting it. I am still burnt in the receptacle, and the sound start open out wider stage and vocal sound more realistic.
As my outlet metal casing is built inside the wall, so I cannot use the 105D and the furutech face plate, else I think the sound will improve even further. I will implement this if I plan to run a separate power line in future.
Nice bro...did you happen to compare any other reputed ones? Oyaide R1 or likes? i know it's not easy to AB like cables. just asking
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Hard to do receptacle AB test as normally need at least two weeks to burnt in to achieve best sound... So after reading Bro watch dog review of the few receptacle on distributor https://hificafe.sg/forum/index.php?topic=260.0 , I just pick one that think will best suited for my system. So far I think Furutech receptacle is quite matching to my system.
I actually have one pcs of Oyaide R1, may be will try switch to it and test. Actually I have been using the Oyaide R1 on MTS6 for a long time, I just think the vocal mid range sound thin, that is why change to Furutech. But if you want try Furutech receptacle, must use the NCF type... recommend by one of hifi kaki.
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Hard to do receptacle AB test as normally need at least two weeks to burnt in to achieve best sound...
even after fully burnt in, it would be laborious to change the wall receptacles. Guessing the easiest way to compare would be to connect them to a good quality neutral distributor and compare sound characteristics.
Have been on Maestro receptacles for over 5 years. was also fancying an upgrade. Really liked the bro wathdog's Furutech sound in a short listen. not sure will enjoy it in the long term. Also it seems insanely expensive here. Need to get from Japan.
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yes, using a quality neutral distributor to compare is the best way like what Watchdog has done. and I base my buying on their recent evaluation here and decide which receptacles sound characteristic I like.
https://hificafe.sg/forum/index.php?topic=260.0
Anyway after further listen session on the receptacles , this is my take on the receptacles:
SINE , SW-2LP US(Platinum )
Vocal is nice as it place the singer more forward and you can pinpoint the vocal image very clearly, this mid range vocal is essential to music. The high frequency range is nice for jazz music enjoy as you can hear all the high frequency details, but if you system is already on the bright side, then this receptacles may not be suitable as it will give too much treble. Bass control is the weak link here as not as tightly control. Sound stage depth and width is quite ok. receptacles come with the aluminum face plate so is cost saving here.
Furutech GTX-D NCF
Vocal image is place further behind so it gives more image depth perception. Bass control is good as tightly control the bass woofer. High frequency details is very well present and is very sweet sounding, will not get listening fatigue. Bad is very expensive here and best to buy it from amazon Japan, also does not match with SINE aluminum face plate, end up I need to buy another face plate to match it.
I will change to the Oyaide R1 later to compare and will update back on this thread in future.
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yes, using a quality neutral distributor to compare is the best way like what Watchdog has done. and I base my buying on their recent evaluation here and decide which receptacles sound characteristic I like.
https://hificafe.sg/forum/index.php?topic=260.0
Anyway after further listen session on the receptacles , this is my take on the receptacles:
SINE , SW-2LP US(Platinum )
Vocal is nice as it place the singer more forward and you can pinpoint the vocal image very clearly, this mid range vocal is essential to music. The high frequency range is nice for jazz music enjoy as you can hear all the high frequency details, but if you system is already on the bright side, then this receptacles may not be suitable as it will give too much treble. Bass control is the weak link here as not as tightly control. Sound stage depth and width is quite ok. receptacles come with the aluminum face plate so is cost saving here.
Furutech GTX-D NCF
Vocal image is place further behind so it gives more image depth perception. Bass control is good as tightly control the bass woofer. High frequency details is very well present and is very sweet sounding, will not get listening fatigue. Bad is very expensive here and best to buy it from amazon Japan, also does not match with SINE aluminum face plate, end up I need to buy another face plate to match it.
I will change to the Oyaide R1 later to compare and will update back on this thread in future.
Helpful Comparison...thanks bro.
Interested to hear the R1 as well
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yes, using a quality neutral distributor to compare is the best way like what Watchdog has done. and I base my buying on their recent evaluation here and decide which receptacles sound characteristic I like.
https://hificafe.sg/forum/index.php?topic=260.0
Anyway after further listen session on the receptacles , this is my take on the receptacles:
SINE , SW-2LP US(Platinum )
Vocal is nice as it place the singer more forward and you can pinpoint the vocal image very clearly, this mid range vocal is essential to music. The high frequency range is nice for jazz music enjoy as you can hear all the high frequency details, but if you system is already on the bright side, then this receptacles may not be suitable as it will give too much treble. Bass control is the weak link here as not as tightly control. Sound stage depth and width is quite ok. receptacles come with the aluminum face plate so is cost saving here.
Furutech GTX-D NCF
Vocal image is place further behind so it gives more image depth perception. Bass control is good as tightly control the bass woofer. High frequency details is very well present and is very sweet sounding, will not get listening fatigue. Bad is very expensive here and best to buy it from amazon Japan, also does not match with SINE aluminum face plate, end up I need to buy another face plate to match it.
I will change to the Oyaide R1 later to compare and will update back on this thread in future.
Bro JB, did you get a chance to compare with R1/R0? I was considering changing Maestro to R0..although i hear that it might be v similar sound to Maestro
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If I may gentleman. Yes all this little upgrades will affect sound but for me I would make such changes
only when system has been optimised. Take it as a flavoring added to the recipe.
Cheers
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Have been on these receptacles for 5-6 years. Entire system changed over the years. Most recent was BAC & and China FE clones.
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Real pity that I live in Batam, would love to have you guys over & chat about all these
mumbo jumbo that we're into. lol
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If I may gentleman. Yes all this little upgrades will affect sound but for me I would make such changes
only when system has been optimised. Take it as a flavoring added to the recipe.
Cheers
Agree. A change of receptacle ain't gonna make or break a system. Best to get everything dialled-in nicely and then make the outlet change as the icing on top of the cake.